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[[File:Bell book and candle.jpg|400px|thumb|right|[[Wikipedia:Robert the Pious|Robert the Pious]], immediately after his excommunication]]
[[File:Bell book and candle.jpg|400px|thumb|right|[[Wikipedia:Robert the Pious|Robert the Pious]], immediately after his excommunication]]
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Any ruler can ask for another ruler of the same religious denomination to be excommunicated if:
Any ruler can ask for another ruler of the same religious denomination to be excommunicated if:
* The requester pays the cost of 100 [[piety]], or 50 piety with Papal [[Investiture]].
* The requester can pay the piety cost
* The religious head dislikes the target and likes the requester. Vassal religious heads will also always grant the excommunication requests of their lieges.
* The target does not control the religious head. This typically means that the Byzantine Emperor can never be excommunicated.
* The target does not control the religious head. This typically means that the Byzantine Emperor can never be excommunicated.
* The target does not control more [[cardinal]]s than the requester (for Catholics, with {{icon|soa}}[[Sons of Abraham]] DLC).
* The target does not control more [[cardinal]]s than the requester (for Catholics, with {{icon|soa}}[[Sons of Abraham]] DLC).
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A few [[event]] chains can also lead to excommunication.
A few [[event]] chains can also lead to excommunication.
== Cost ==
The cost to request an excommunication is based on the rank of their highest-rank relative. In addition to their target, relevant relatives include parents, grandparents, siblings, and children. <!-- This is similar to [[Marriage#Prestige_effects|marriage rank]], but does not discount republics. -->
{|class="wikitable"
! Highest rank relative !! Cost !! Cost with Papal [[Investiture]]
|-
| (Courtier)  || 25  || 12.5
|-
| Baron    || 50  || 25
|-
| Count    || 75  || 37.5
|-
| Duke     || 100  || 50
|-
| King     || 125  || 62.5
|-
| Emperor   ||    ||
|}


==Effects==
==Effects==
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*harm [[opinion]]: -5 diplomacy and an additional -15 opinion from characters of the same religion. For rulers, this makes it considerably more difficult to manage a [[realm]], and makes [[faction]] rebellion more likely.
*harm [[opinion]]: -5 diplomacy and an additional -15 opinion from characters of the same religion. For rulers, this makes it considerably more difficult to manage a [[realm]], and makes [[faction]] rebellion more likely.
*give every ruler in the same ecclesiastical branch an [[Casus_Belli#Excommunicated_Ruler|Excommunicated Ruler CB]] which they can use to force the ruler to abdicate.
*give every ruler in the same ecclesiastical branch an [[Casus_Belli#Excommunicated_Ruler|Excommunicated Ruler CB]] which they can use to force the ruler to abdicate.
*if vassal, liege may [[imprison]] excommunicated vassals without incurring [[tyranny]], making this a potent tool to deal with a troublesome vassal. Excommunicated characters who are imprisoned can also be executed without penalty.
*Liege may [[imprison]] excommunicated vassals without incurring [[tyranny]], making this a potent tool to deal with a troublesome vassal. Excommunicated characters who are imprisoned can also be executed without penalty.


Excommunication will end:
Excommunication will end:
* if using the (very expensive) "Make Declaration of Repentance" [[decision]]. You can ask him to lift the excommunication directly for 100 piety (50 with Papal investiture) if he likes you enough.
* upon using the (very expensive) "Make Declaration of Repentance" [[decision]] and agreeing to the Pope's demands
* upon using the "Lift Excommunication" interaction for another character
* if the character agrees, by event, to participate in a Pope's ongoing Crusade.
* if the character agrees, by event, to participate in a Pope's ongoing Crusade.
* if establishing an [[antipope]], which ends excommunication as realm no longer obeys the Pope.
* when establishing an [[antipope]], which ends excommunication as realm no longer obeys the Pope.
* when an antipapacy ends, for characters following the antipope
* upon [[religious conversion]]
* upon [[religious conversion]]


==Strategies==
==Strategies==
===Avoiding excommunication yourself===
*'''Keep your religious head's opinion of you positive''', especially if you know another ruler would like to see you excommunicated
*'''Keep your religious head's opinion of you positive''', especially if you know another ruler would like to see you excommunicated
* '''[[Bribe]] your religious head'''. If Catholic, bribe a ''newly elected'' Pope, before gifts become too expensive.
* '''[[Bribe]] your religious head'''. If Catholic, bribe a ''newly elected'' Pope, before gifts become too expensive.
* Send your [[Chancellor]] to '''Improve Diplomatic Relations''' (less effective in Constantinople, where you have a 50% chance of pleasing the Basileus instead)
* Send your [[Chancellor]] to '''Improve Diplomatic Relations''' (less effective in Constantinople, where you have a 50% chance of pleasing the Basileus instead)
*'''If possible, vassalize your religious head'''. You'll be protected from hostile actions (including excommunication); if you choose to, you may (ab)use the powers of your religious head to cement your dynasty's grip on power.
===Damaging opponents===
*'''Excommunicate vassals''' for free [[imprisonment]] and/or execution
*'''Excommunicate vassals''' for free [[imprisonment]] and/or execution
*'''Excommunicate rivals''' to [[weakening rival realms|soften up their realms]] before attacking.
*'''Excommunicate rivals''' to [[weakening rival realms|soften up their realms]] before attacking.
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**'''Reinstate deposed rulers''' - newly abdicated rulers gain a strong claim on their old realm. If you grant them a landed title, you can push their claim and thus expand.
**'''Reinstate deposed rulers''' - newly abdicated rulers gain a strong claim on their old realm. If you grant them a landed title, you can push their claim and thus expand.
*'''Excommunicate your heir''' for free [[imprisonment]], and subsequently [[Diplomatic actions#Order to take the vows|order them to take the vows]] to get rotten heirs out of the way of your strong genius younger son.
*'''Excommunicate your heir''' for free [[imprisonment]], and subsequently [[Diplomatic actions#Order to take the vows|order them to take the vows]] to get rotten heirs out of the way of your strong genius younger son.
*'''If possible, vassalize your religious head'''. You'll be protected from hostile actions (including excommunication); if you choose to, you may (ab)use the powers of your religious head to cement your dynasty's grip on power.
 
=== Christians===
===Exclusive to Christians===
* Send your [[Court Chaplain]] to Improve Religious Relations with your religious head.
* Send your [[Court Chaplain]] to Improve Religious Relations with your religious head.
* Go on a pilgrimage
* Go on a pilgrimage
===Catholics===
===Exclusive to Catholics===
* Join a [[crusade]]
* Join a [[crusade]]. Beware: if you pledged to join a crusade during the preparation phase, but did not send troops, you will eventually be excommunicated (via event); you'll first be given a warning event which causes you to lose piety.
* Switch to Papal [[Investiture]]
* Switch to Papal [[Investiture]]. With {{icon|hf}}Holy Fury, emperors who have vassalize the pope should have Free Investiture before their (and their successors') [[coronation]] by the Pope, so that the Pope can ask for a law change rather than independence (which is another valid and popular request)
* Give the Pope a landed title
* Give the Pope a landed title 
*'''[[College of Cardinals#Strategies|Control cardinals]]'''
*'''[[College of Cardinals#Strategies|Control cardinals]]'''
===Muslims===
*If you intend to take the Papal States, consider setting up an antipope, as you are highly likely to be excommunicated and and unlikely to have the excommunication lifted.
 
===Exclusive to Muslims===
* Charity decision
* Charity decision
* Go on hajj
* Go on hajj

2019年10月8日 (二) 21:35的版本


Robert the Pious, immediately after his excommunication

Excommunicated.png Excommunication is an act of censure by a religious head. The church officially cuts all ties with the character, causing major diplomatic issues. It is available for most branches of Christianity, and for the Yazidi heresy of Sunni Islam. With Holy Fury.pngHoly Fury, reformed pagan faiths with the Hierocratic or Autocephalous leadership type also have this mechanic.

Requesting an Excommunication

Any ruler can ask for another ruler of the same religious denomination to be excommunicated if:

  • The requester can pay the piety cost
  • The target does not control the religious head. This typically means that the Byzantine Emperor can never be excommunicated.
  • The target does not control more cardinals than the requester (for Catholics, with Dlc icon sons of abraham.pngSons of Abraham DLC).
  • The target did not recently have an excommunication lifted.
  • The moral authority is at least 40%.

A few event chains can also lead to excommunication.

Cost

The cost to request an excommunication is based on the rank of their highest-rank relative. In addition to their target, relevant relatives include parents, grandparents, siblings, and children.

Highest rank relative Cost Cost with Papal Investiture
(Courtier) 25 12.5
Baron 50 25
Count 75 37.5
Duke 100 50
King 125 62.5
Emperor

Effects

Being excommunicated will:

  • harm opinion: -5 diplomacy and an additional -15 opinion from characters of the same religion. For rulers, this makes it considerably more difficult to manage a realm, and makes faction rebellion more likely.
  • give every ruler in the same ecclesiastical branch an Excommunicated Ruler CB which they can use to force the ruler to abdicate.
  • Liege may imprison excommunicated vassals without incurring tyranny, making this a potent tool to deal with a troublesome vassal. Excommunicated characters who are imprisoned can also be executed without penalty.

Excommunication will end:

  • upon using the (very expensive) "Make Declaration of Repentance" decision and agreeing to the Pope's demands
  • upon using the "Lift Excommunication" interaction for another character
  • if the character agrees, by event, to participate in a Pope's ongoing Crusade.
  • when establishing an antipope, which ends excommunication as realm no longer obeys the Pope.
  • when an antipapacy ends, for characters following the antipope
  • upon religious conversion

Strategies

Avoiding excommunication yourself

  • Keep your religious head's opinion of you positive, especially if you know another ruler would like to see you excommunicated
  • Bribe your religious head. If Catholic, bribe a newly elected Pope, before gifts become too expensive.
  • Send your Chancellor to Improve Diplomatic Relations (less effective in Constantinople, where you have a 50% chance of pleasing the Basileus instead)
  • If possible, vassalize your religious head. You'll be protected from hostile actions (including excommunication); if you choose to, you may (ab)use the powers of your religious head to cement your dynasty's grip on power.

Damaging opponents

  • Excommunicate vassals for free imprisonment and/or execution
  • Excommunicate rivals to soften up their realms before attacking.
  • Depose excommunicated rulers to make their child heir inherit. This makes the realm vulnerable to weak claims.
    • Reinstate deposed rulers - newly abdicated rulers gain a strong claim on their old realm. If you grant them a landed title, you can push their claim and thus expand.
  • Excommunicate your heir for free imprisonment, and subsequently order them to take the vows to get rotten heirs out of the way of your strong genius younger son.

Exclusive to Christians

  • Send your Court Chaplain to Improve Religious Relations with your religious head.
  • Go on a pilgrimage

Exclusive to Catholics

  • Join a crusade. Beware: if you pledged to join a crusade during the preparation phase, but did not send troops, you will eventually be excommunicated (via event); you'll first be given a warning event which causes you to lose piety.
  • Switch to Papal Investiture. With Holy Fury.pngHoly Fury, emperors who have vassalize the pope should have Free Investiture before their (and their successors') coronation by the Pope, so that the Pope can ask for a law change rather than independence (which is another valid and popular request)
  • Give the Pope a landed title
  • Control cardinals
  • If you intend to take the Papal States, consider setting up an antipope, as you are highly likely to be excommunicated and and unlikely to have the excommunication lifted.

Exclusive to Muslims

  • Charity decision
  • Go on hajj
  • Join a jihad